vangogh. Rayraz, attileus, Erlik, I assume you are all programmers yourselves? And you all know what it would take to speed up the Bryce renderer? Then you should all contact DAZ and tell them what they need to do. "many people think that it would have been easier to write a programme that looks like Bryce and imports Bryce stuff but with a totally new graphic engine..." If someone could do that in 9 months, (that's how long DAZ has had Bryce) I'm sure it would have been done. Coldrake