Aye, Erlik, I remember that thread. Coldrake is merely playing the role of DAZ benefit-of-the-doubter... I personally don't care one bit about Bryce 5.5. Rendering speed means nothing to me, it's all about functionality. I foresee DAZ doing Bryce the same justice Corel did, at best. All the hype is just hype, it's a stupid idea to make 5.5 in the first place. I seriously doubt that DAZ will ever ship Bryce 6, so far DAZ hasn't proven anything to me except that they are inept. Also, Codrake, consider this : Every other ridiculously immense program (Maya, Lightwave, Cinema) has no problem cranking out new products on time. 9 months is FAR too long of a development time for a .5 upgrade. They should have been done long ago. Far mre advanced products are cranked out all the time, and much faster. Hell, right after I got Maya 6 the Maya 6.5 upgrade was released! I'm not in the least bit pleased with DAZ or the future of our Bryce program. I'll stick with my 5.01, it does it's job just fine.