Erlick, oh...my bad. sorry about the mix-up. that happens to me sometimes. :) what was i trying to achieve? LOL...just to take some pretty pictures AND to create a mood. i was experimenting that evening as i was watching the sunset. it wasn't dark out...it was the beginning of the sunset. This image was taken thru glass. i took a whole bunch from inside my car 'cause i was freezing. Each one had a different setting because i wanted to see how the settings would affect the look and mood of the sky as the sun was going down. Anyway, you're right...it does look more like dusk because of the settings i used. Andreas, of the two you did, i like the first one better. that silly lens flare is neat! maybe for another image though!!! :) i like them dark too. that's what i was going for. thanks Richard & Pascale for your input. i appreciate it!