You are striking a good medium, though. Yes the Pantene shine is there but it is more believable than the other default dynamic hair i've seen. Can you respond to this general question? Would it be possible for an animator to move in closer with the camera and trnasition even a little more away from sheen, but still get dense, non-wiry hair that moves naturally? I guess this would be achieved by more strands. Of course I realize the render time would go up, possibly way up, but if that were a price one is willing to pay, can the idea be effective? Thanks for your opinion ::::: Opera :::::