I'm letting it render. So far it's dropped from 40 hrs to 9 hrs so your prob right about the counter being out of wack. And yes I am using a global radiosity atmo so that probably doesn't help either. For posting purposes I'll use the broadcast setting but I wanted to see how long V5I would take to render a high quality image. Now I know and have to allow for a longer render time than in Vue 4 Pro. Thanks for all the tips and suggestions!!! Jim