Thanks heaps, you guys have saved my bacon, again. I have to take my cap off to you all. It was that little step on Pge 6, I missed. I think I was too busy laughing, poor NaySay, the looks on his face. Your Tuts are very good geep. And yes that's a great tutorial by Softriver, that got me thinking, I could try this. Tonight I've been using 1 of PhilC's skullcaps and they are excellent, but it doesn't quite fit HER around the ears. Also there seems to be a problem with the pre-made groups, that you can see in the group editor, but are not showing in the Hair Growth Groups, Current groups menu, but I know so little about this it could be me or a P5 > P6 problem. Thanks again, I'm off to bed before this turns into another, Poser all-nighter.