Yeah I use P4 for speed. If I had my choice of new Poser software it would probably be something with just the P4 features (plus maybe Face Room) but mainly just with the cludgy legacy code removed... The problem with new versions is the bloat... I would rather have leaner meaner coding and a Pro version for all the fancy stuff... but I supposed that pro version would be supper expensive due to markets of scale, the single massive app lets both low end users and high end users share the incredibly low retail cost of the single app. I love those old P4 figures... they are so fast and you can do neat things with them, I still use the MorphWorld 1/2 morph sets etc. Does anyone still use Posette and Dork? Do you have images up like ernyoka1's http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=315404 warning: nude female chest on that image