Actually, that pretty much everyone who uses cloth room, and admittedly mine as well gripe. The problem is, without kicking CL too much in the balls, is that they implemented cloth room settings into poser without wondering if it was the most inituiative way to do it..I still won't use the dyn.hair cause I don't like the looks of them. The strands are nice and all, but transmap looks better for one reason or another. Getting them to collide? ARGH.;) And cool..I understand based on your explaination of where the setting should go, and such points as that..just getting them to work in a practical poser clothed environment was causing me to talk to myself;)