I like that - think I'll get it next week. (Check coming on Thurs ;) - Maybe the Dhow too. Still there is a very small boat used (I think) - smaller then the dhow - I one offset sail and totally open. maybe I dis-remember. Probably MIGHT be able to do in Rhino with splines/NURBS and convert to polys then into C4D/BodyPaint 2 after some resewarch on woods used. Texturing is FUN to me and have tons of large photos to help. Looks like that barge will need a paint-job too! 100 Yrs of National Geographic CD's might help with that. I syuspect it was encrusted with heiroglyphs. Jim (Thanks for hunting)