momodot, It may surprise you to learn that I'm a DOS-asaurus... and still use programs written for DOS because Windows is bloatware. There are things that DPaint does better than PhotoShop, and I still use it for commercial projects when absolutely precise pixel-by-pixel bitmapping is necessary. I prefer to write my letters and design documents on WordPerfect for DOS. I alos have WordPerfect on the Mac. It isn't quite abandonware. :sigh: If Poser 4 is still being sold, then CL certainly isn't abandoning those customers who only need basic tools or who are quite content with running smaller programs on older machines. I have a roomful of legacy machines which I try desperately to keep running. I can understand if someone doesn't have the cash to upgrade or to buy modern 4 gigs o'ram game-busting machines with the fastest video cards out there. But why are they not simply honest saying "I can't afford it" or "I don't want it", rather than saying they have contempt for anybody else who dares to upgrade after 3 years? Enjoying sour grapes is one thing... throwing them at someone else is another. Carolly