hi thanx for the replies. I guess I shoulda been clearer on the wireframe pro question. :) I need to know the settings for an obj imported model. I can get it to work for a carrara native model...but not an import. Im sure this is a matter of mixing and matching this the correct way, but as of yet...I've struck out. Im also trying to get this to render with backface culling. That is, any wireframe of a poly pointing away will not be rendered..kinda like the 'hidden line' option in open gl display. if I use this in the transparency or alpha, I dont see how the backfaces can be culled..perhaps I'm wrong there. I still have to look at anything grooves to see what I did wrong there...I feel it is a mapping problem with what I'm doing so maybe that'll be really easy. tnx BT