I think even the stanchest ant-poser CG bigot has to agree that in the right hands it can and has produced breathtaking results. Seems like the issue at hand with some of these poser-haters isn't that the program is incapable of producing good looking work, it's that most poser users arn't doing the modeling. Many of these folks do their own modeling, uv work, skinning, lighting and rendering and they look down on those of us who skip some of these stages by using pre-made meshes like Victoria. Quite frankly, I'd LOVE to be able to model something even CLOSE to what Daniel Moreno did with this piece, but I lack the skill and more importantly, the experience. Until I get there (if I ever do), I will continue to love Poser for what it is and what it allows me to do.