"That's pushing it - in several ways by FishNose on 3/30/05 03:05 I think the title of your post is unfair." What is unfair about the title? I AM unhappy with Poser 6. Eeverone is talking about curious labs as a company and comparing them to Daz and talking about how buggy Poser 5 was when it was first released. I have to be honest I don't see what any of that has to do with Poser 6 being "less than stable" I don't want to wait for 2 service releases before I use a product I just bought. Poser is not a new program. This is the 7th version of poser (counting Pro Pack) to make the shelves. I do agree that it is low-cost as 3d apps go, but it's also useable only in conjunction with another 3d app (like 3dsmax or shade) or with pre-built models like the ones sold here or on Daz or Poser Pros or RDNA etc etc. It doesn't actually let you "make" anything, just pose it. I am not saying that it's ill-concieved. I think the idea behind poser is a great one, and I think the price is reasonable (though I wouldn't go so far as to call it cheap or inexpensive considering what it does) for what it is, and I think by the time P5 sr4 was available Poser 5 became pretty stable. The reason I am unhappy is that Poser 6 seems decidedly LESS stable that p5 sr4 was. I think it would have been better to release the Product 3 months later with the bugs all fixed than to release the Product earlier with a statement that the Firefly renderer is buggy. Call me crazy if you want. When I said earlier that it was 6 hours late I didn't mean the download of the actual product, that was on time as far as I could tell ( I was a half hour late in checking for it and it was available then) I was referring to recieving my product activation key 6 hours after the product was released...... and as I stated earlier that wasn't bad at all, in fact I was expecting it to take a full day or even two days, which was what specified in my confirmation e-mail. As far as this goes: "But listen - you have a bunch of props, 4 (FOUR) unimesh figures - and they are all clothed. I for one am not at all surprised it slows down. That's how many figures total?" I want to state emphatically that I was able to load a lot more than that into Poser 5 sr4, and while it would get slow it would not crash during rendering. Dr. Geep I would LOVE to know how that million square model loads in P6 when you get a chance to try it. ( By the way i think that is very cool) :) Clearly there are a lot of opinions out there about this. I am just happy that I got Shade 7 free when I pre-ordered. It gives me something to do while I wait for Curious Labs to fix all these bugs...... .....and because it really was a fantastic deal to pre-order I am not really that upset. Had I not gotten the pre-order deal though, I would feel pretty slighted. And over a million vertices to move around?