I haven't tried rendering this beastie in shade 7 yet..... I think I need to reinstall p5 asap!! I am VERY pleased with the quality of the Shade Renderer..... though it is slow I think it is worth the wait. I used to use Carrara to render stuff I set up in p5, and it was very good! Much better than Firefly............ I think I like Shade Better tho :) I just have to get used to this cross thingy that manipluates the camera