Sometimes I feel I am the only person in the Poser universe still using Poser for imaging figures for traditional media. I never see work by people doing this and there is a decide lack of interest in any I show. Only my seemingly non-postworked pinups garner any coment. I come to this as a painter, my work isn't about making renders, it is about making art using renders, but I do understand the true artistry of pushing a technology to its limits. When I was in school it was neccessary to show the film edges in a print to demonstrate the abscence of cropping... I myself ascribed to this aesthetic, it called for artistic discipline and good practice. Esentially arbitrary restriction in practice itself can lead to hights of artistry, the pietas, formal verse, etc. I saw reproduced a show of Modern Iraqi art... artist had been restricted to only liknesses of Sadam in all thier work... positive ones at that, there were some truly beautiful works. I love looking at and I apreciate tremendously the talent and artistry of those doing "pure" renders. I do wish I saw more work by people using Poser to simulate Photography and any by people using it for the foundation for extreme post-work or traditional media.