Thank you very much, I didnt know that was even there; really you think you have begun to get a handle on something then it goes and proves you wrong. I dont know I feel I have only scratch the surface of poser pro and now were onto poser6. Do I really want to start all over when I havent got to grips with what I have, though there does seem to be a better vibe about it than poser 5. Again a BIG thank you for that. Its always the case it would be easy if you know how, and thanks to you people out there I now know a little bit more.