ok work on this project has hit a major slowdown .. the main reason is because i'm in the scaling and grouping phase... I HATE grouping ... i HATE IT!!! i can't get my head to understand grouping in uvmapper, cutting the mesh in rhino leves nasty seams .. soo.... i do my grouping in the poser grouping tool which i think i have learned to master. scaling is done ... It almost wasn't because of major issues with the armour not fitting on poset even though it fit on her in rhino... poser does some freaky stuff ... however thanks to Logan'sfury i went and figured out magnets enough to fix the collision issues, rexported out of poser and imported in perfect. so work continues... trudging along slowly... i have a phone interview with charter communications monday .. another company that doesn't wanna pay me jack .. but at least this one is literally 7 minutes from the house unlike that one in dallas. who knows.