Hi Morrigan, I think I might know you from Raven's. If so, wonderful to see you. If not, nice to meet you. I tried the forums on the DAZ site but the boards are all locked. (that is what it says anyway) BUT...good news, my playing again in DAZ I have managed to move an arm. I think I am buisness now. Guess I was giving up to easy. I am going to tinker some more and if I have trouble I will ask at the DAZ forum here. I was already reading the boards there for help. Thank you again. Lamb