Nawwhhh... 'jes fergit about that little "s***" comment which was a little overpassionate to say the least and don't count in this here ongoing civilized discussion among us polite adults and faeries ;o) But while we're on the subject of the, hehe, the "S" word... Y'all check out my next little post. I made this just recently for the purpose of creating a high integrity polymesh, solving Poser's little problem it has of trying to round off all the square edges (that's what causes those funny "shadows" on square edges of props that haven't been "Poserized"). Used to do it by disconnecting the corners, but that sometimes caused problems in getting all the surface normals to face the same direction- this solution "flushes" that little aggravation right down the old drain... Puttin' this in a separate little post (below) 'cause this is just one of those little freebies the faeries like to drop off from time to time in unsuspected places... it will be gone in a little while, so get it now while it's, teeheehee, hot! Note the very fine squared edges on the bottom of the seat there.... The "S" faerie =};-}>