Ok looks like we're down to building cr2's. Actually we're almost done building the cr2's i need to do the forearms and the scale boots and shin guards. I should be able to copy the other boots cr2 and just change what modle it loads. After that i have a LOT of clean up to do on the cr2's .. and i may have to get Logan to work some more of his magnet magik to fix some pokethru issues. most notable is where the thigh guards poke thru the hanging hip guards ... it doesn't do that in the obj!!!! grumbles