Yes I did the whole thing in C4..no wait come to think of it, I started it in C2 before I upgraded. So I did most of the modeling in C2, then worked the textures and lighting and the Caution sign in C4. Oh and Sparrow, I kind of agree with you about the smudges, but the compulsive-obsessive in me needed to figure out how to get rid of them. I might add a few smudges in photoshop post-render. I started up a high quality render earlier today...its taking a loooooong time..I may have boosted the quality settings a tad too much :o). Ill post a pic when its done.