Oops sorry, eonsoft is Vue. As for Bryce I did e-mail Corel, and as I said , got a non-commital answer. But they have released a version that runs on MAC OS X beta, that is suposed to have some of the new features in the 5 release. So it looks like they are going forward. As for Curious Labs, they have seemed to have put all their effort in the Pro Pak. So until that is final, I don't see them going forward with the release of 5 in the near future :( James