Well probably some are dumber than others but, after using C2, 3 and now 4pro, I have just discovered the "apply to children" button. And when things still would not work I changed background colour. OK I'me a bit closer to grasping things--I only need them spelt out 2 millimmeters at a time-but perhaps it highlights that many of us are at a very low point in the learning curve and really do need things spelt out. Brian

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