But then they aren't really after getting new customers. They're just trying to keep existing customers from >leaving by offering them cheap prices on upgrades. >SHONNER I have to disagree here. I don't think Eovia is trying to keep their existing customers. I don't know what they are thinking. What was with that whole Carrara 4 pre-release t-shit and booklet fiasco. Why would you do that to your loyal user base? And the upgrade prices are anything but cheap! They may seek cheep compared to the new high prices on the new user base. That is if there is a new user base to stiff. When I bought MotionBuilder 5 it cost $1,000. Now the cost of version 6 is.....still $1,000. I can upgrade to version 6 for $250. That's means I will pay 25% of base price to upgrade. If Eovia followed the same route, I would be paying about the same amount or a little less than what it cost me to upgrade to Poser 6.