C4 sounds great, Now If I can sell my firstborn to get it... Hmmm, maybe someone wants a semi used cat on ebay, or maybe a one of a kind gerbil with freckle markings... Hmmm.I suppose I could sell my liver, I dont seem to use it much. LOL I had Amapi 5 which came with my C1.1 but never really got into using it. Ill have to try it out and see how well it works and what its interface is like. I went looking at the Corel site for Bryce 5 to see what its going for now, but couldnt find it there. Did they actually discontinue it?