Well I was not quite right about Juliens tute. Dont know where I got the 000 idea from but I use it. At least Juliens tute confirms the idea of moving the hot point to the base of the object. Further on this location of an object, if I am working in a way out part of the space I use the location XYZ of another object in view to type into the "lost" objects location to bring it into view. Hope that makes sense. Brian

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