Urhmmmm... how a bout moving to Render Wars? [Ducks and runs like hell before rcook AND TIO come after him] Yeah, I see the point. Sorry... that PIB post COMPLETELY derailed me. Apologies to Jen for the confusion... also, I don't care to pick on Stormrage, Jack or anyone else in this. My point on the conjectural post on the testing was that I wouldn't submit an item for review to ANY outside testing agency that had clear ties to any of the brokerages - wether those ties were to Zygote, here, or DSI. I'd rather do without the "Stamp of Approval" and take my chances. My view in that case would be that a purchaser could always view my gallery and my free stuff items and see the quality of work that I do. I wouldn't hold the same views on a In-House testing agency because those are suposed to be affiliated with the site brokering the item... their job is to make sure the item meets their quality standards, not to satisfy an arbitrary ratings board. I'm not really certain where to go with this right now... I am willing to draft up some proposals as an adjunct to a similar project I'm working on with a few members and when they're worked out... submit them for perusal. I'm also willing to take suggestions and input on what members would like to see an independant graphics arts guild offer in the way of services, protections and benefits to it's members. My email is s_barnes@swbell.net

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