AntoniaTiger An excellent idea. Since P6 came out and I've started seeing more dynamic clothing around, I've started experimenting with it again. This is, admittedly, an early attempt. I hope P6 heralds in much more work in the dynamic clothing and the use of P5+ shaders. So much more versitil than the pre-P5 systems. lululee You'll see more, if this is accepted (and more aattepts if it isn't!). Personally I like the "underdog" characters. Vickie's a nice girl, but so many people support her. I'd rather concentrate on EJ (heck even plain old Judy) Jessi and of course the boys (Mike, Don and now that I have him, James). Off now to try a displacement map... mike