The thread is now getting interesting. Perceived uglyness and beauty depend on the viewer and can be morphed away. I'd be interested to have one of you experts explain the difference between the two types of rigging. The "Victoria" rigging is actually from the Evo posette figure, or am I mistaken? It seems to have fixed some bending problems and created a whole bunch of new ones, like maccaroni arms and kinky thighs. Right? The P6 rigging seems to be better in some poses and worse in others. I'd be interested to read about a knowledgable analysis of the rigging situation from some of you.