A few cuts from the chat session, should make more sense when you can read the whole log. We will shortly be introducing a new modeler that will be called Eovia Hexagon it's a Polgonal modeler, combining best things from Polygonal Subdivision AND surface modeling expected release date is in the next 60 days Price will be less than the current Designer pricing http://server2.eovia.com/demos/hexagon/hexagon_layout.mov http://server2.eovia.com/demos/hexagon/hexagon_4tools.mov http://server2.eovia.com/demos/hexagon/hegagon_spaceship.mov http://server2.eovia.com/demos/hexagon/wolf_lightmaps.jpg wayne k guam usa