Let there be no mistake...Curious Labs is already guiltless in my eyes and no 'redeeming' is needed. Unless other facts emerge, this is the purchase of a new license at $89.00 instead of $249.00 I IM'd Tina a few hours ago but she has certainly gone home for the evening. As soon as we connect tomorrow I'll execute the transaction and as chevy says just get it paid for. I'll find out from Tina what Rita should do to receive her license. I might suggest that others who wish to contribute to this effort....has anyone ever thought of a fund that could be amassed in a paypal contribution account (very simple to set up) that people could put small amounts in, for instance everytime they spend $49.99 on Vickie stuff they could send a dollor over....this fund could purchase upgrades and/or new licenses for people who want to get into Poser but can't swing it. Like an artist tools enpowering fund. ::::: Opera :::::