Thanks for replying about this, AgentSmith ... I'm not trying to complain here, but to point out that there are often posts that appear in the forums that are intended simply to complain or bash something that CL or DAZ or anyone else have done. To me, it's the same type of "ugliness" that was a concern in the OT forums. In fact, some of it can get downright nasty and hurtful for the people that the comments are directed at, whether founded or unfounded. Being that the central reason for the forums is to share about art, or to foster growth and learning, any type of complaining or bashing is way off topic and does little to foster the type of community you say you are trying to maintain. So whenever someone starts a post that "Poser 6 sucks" or "DAZ characters bend like $&)(*^%", where is the artistic or learning value in that type of discussion? I'm not saying that everything has to be peaches and cream, but it's the same type of ugliness that you closed the OT forum for. And I'm not saying this to complain, but at times it is really hard to stay around with that type of noise level. 8-(