Hmmm..... As I read the posts here my initial reaction was to say "Don't quit!" But... You know you better than anyone else does. This is obviously a hobby for you and you are frustrated. I can understand that. I think what you need to decide is wether or not you LIKE to work in 3d. If you do then you should stick with it and, as many have said here, set your goals to small managable chunks. Don't make clothes make a prop. Learn by working in small chunks. If you really must make clothing then you can even do that in small pieces. There is a skirt tutorial over at shaders cafe. Try that. Then do it again. Then do it without the tutorial. Then modify it. Then shade it etc.... There's a bunch of tutorials over there you can look at. I am trying to learn shade myself so I can feel your pain. I am working through the tutorials over at the cafe now and I am going chapter by chapter in the manual. Now, as I said eariler, you really need to decide if you like 3d. Maybe you like 3d but not creating it. If that's the case then don't kill yourself. There is nothing wrong with just hanging out in the galleries either. Whatever the case, I assume this is a hobby. If it is then you should enjoy it. If you dont then find something you do enjoy. Whatever you decide I wish you luck! Eric.. btw I am jealous you have Vue infinite! WOW! What a great prog!