You're correct, I confused you and Ringo and I apologize to you both. (I won't say who's better looking!:-) I still don't believe that the chat would have been the place to get any issues aired. Certainly they have the right (and the neccesity) to promote their new modeler. My contention is only that they are not listening to their user base, if they were we would have heard about it on this forum. But we disagree.. that's fine by me and I hope it is ok with you also.