After a certain point, it becomes obvious that there is no way that the two sides are going to agree with each other. Or even agree to disagree. Or even be civil. What good does it do anyone (especially Renderosity) to allow such virtual barroom brawls to continue? There's no percentage from a business standpoint. All that people are doing is yelling at each other. Talking at rather than to each other. Well put Here is a wacky solution. Create a Gloves Off un-moderated forum that members have to subscribe too (But Free). The Member fills out a form and agrees to a Non_TOS and is given a password to enter the forum. This forum is invisible to the general public (And the all important Sponsors of the site) this waythose who feel like they have what it takes, and are thick skinned enough to participate in such a forum, have a place to do it that is removed from the rest of the site. This waywhen staff wants to lock threads, they can just point those in violation to the TOS to the Gloves Off forum. The only rule is that there are no rules. No whiners and less work for the staff. Told you it was whacky but since, as mentioned above, there is no way that the two sides are going to agree with each other, just provide a place for them to Not Agree. Tom

“The fact that no one understands you…Doesn’t make you an artist.”