No, I just hate people who flood forums with complaints and rants. Thats why you email support. Complaining once or twice on the forums about an issue and seeking a work around or a solution is fine, but really there are a few members that just are constantly complaining. When I have issues that seem to be bugs, or problems I email support. 80-90% of the time I see the issue I reported fixed in a patch or the following version. Or support gives me a simple workaround. Virtually every release of Carrara, and Amapi has had features and fixes that people have requested and reported. I know this from beta testing that they focus on fixing issues as well as adding features. I also know there are issues that have existed for quite awhile, since I've used Carrara since version 1 (metacreations) and Amapi since version 5. But constantly complaining about them does nothing. I'd suggest reporting the bugs/issues to eovia, and do it repeatedly. I'm far from happy with everything about Eovia, Carrara, Amapi, etc., its just the constant complaints about the same issues by the same people that I find irritating. I know you are a talented artist Shonner and I'd hate for you not to speak up about things, but I just don't think its necessary to always bring up negative discussion when something positive is being brought up. And the chat session was a good discussion. Personally I would have liked to hear more information about things, but its nice that something like that happened at all. This is an issue that I think the moderators need to discuss that I notice is happening throughout the Renderosity forums. A topic is brought up and questions are asked, and people respond with complaints and comments on don't use such and such software it sucks, when really they should be helping the person with the issue. Anyway, happy rendering. Brian