Good point wayne. And something I hope people will consider, and should be posted. Next time if people can't make it, but want to know specific things then post it and we can ask. Nice idea. I for one have noticed better communication from Eovia since the new CEO. As well as better marketing and a better focus from Eovia. Rather then the seeming randomness that existed prior. They seem to be focused on improving Carrara, and there product line. For example look at Vectorstyle. They released version 2 which is a complete rewrite by Eovia, so they no longer are relying on an outside source. And it now includes a lot of the features that were desired. And the upgrade price is reasonable I think too. I'm a mostly satisfied customer there are things in Amapi I don't like, mostly workflow things, so I'm happy to see Hex. I take the bad with the good, and to me you can't beat Carrara's speed with rendering and scene setup. Brian