dBgrafix, you make a good point here: "I suggest post your images...as it is a free place.Share them with all the other people who admire them. What is better than that for someone with a lesser skill to see something that they can go and try out. " The most I have learned is from two directions, the first is from constructive criticism. The most valued is the second: Comparison of my images with similar submissions from others. I look at the galleries of those who comment on my images and while some are worse many are much better with similar images. This gives me direction and something "to see" in comparison. Two dummies patting eachothers backs does no growth ensue. Getting a really good pic to see DOES show how far to go and still leaves plenty of room for self direction. I appreciate your comment a lot. (ps, working with the public as I do, those whose business depends on relatives, friends or "we like to work with people" will soon enough starve.)