fine example and extrapolates to some decision-making. agree no sign of flicker and I for one can spot it a mile away. I assume you ran at default Poser6 scale with no massive scale-up? Maxx, to me the lighting is quite convincing. This places the capablility of realistic daylight on the Poser worktable, IMO, at a better quality by far and faster than faking with dome lighting. Practical for animation? Your plea for network render is well known, as is my willingness to work with a "RenderCondo" concept. But even then, the frame budgets....wow! I use FinalFantasy/AkiRoss as my rough benchmark...the budget was 90 min/frame at full film/big screen size. I think that if one had to have it for a short film, and if one could throw a handful of CPUs at it, to get this kind of result in Poser...it's pretty damn cool. Now my obvious next question....can you rough this against what you believe your time would be in 3DS Max with MentalRay or whatever you would use to arrive at this quality? What magnitude faster/slower, Max/Poser? I'm not asking you to necessarily go thru it experimentally, just give your seat of the pants opinion. Great work and thanks for the pioneering. In your opinion, was performance steady frame by frame? No slow-down due to the memory leak? ::::: Opera :::::