I'm not refusing to upgrade. I just had to get a new laptop/ old one died. so, whats more important to me? Upgrading Poser or getting another laptop? guess what? The laptop won out. Not everyone can afford too upgrade when a new release comes out. I do not see the mad rush to get a new release. I've never had any problems with the DAZ figs in Poser or PP. Not once. I just lost all my stuff as it is when the old one died on me. People are gonna have different opinions about a product, people have different computers, laptops, not everyone is the same and not every software is going to work the same on every computer. some people will rave about the new release, some people won't. Different strokes for different folks. :)