You know back in the day (of the unmentionable PFO) this type of controversy was an everyday occurence, in fact I was a moderator whose job was specifically to smooth out all the ruffled feathers. But I guess it's to be expected when artists begin to feel restricted, and you have a subject as abstract as "what is pornographic" I have a picture of my son when he was 4 years old, in the bathtub. He's on his hands and knees, his butt is sticking out of the water and he's sticking his tongue out at the running water. I thought it was the funniest picture (I'd say "cute", but I'm a guy). I had it up in my office (with dozens of other family pictures) and was asked to take it down! It's a baby's butt for cryin out loud. I'm sure the little Coppertone girl is now considered pornography too (the one where the dog is pulling down her bathing suit to expose part of her butt) So anyway, I've said it before and I'll say it again (shouting if y'all don't mind) POSER IS ABOUT THE HUMAN BODY! AND THINGS THAT HUMAN BODIES DO! What's the point of having a Poser forum if you can't display what the software can do? NO REAL HUMAN CHILD IS BEING ABUSED! As Wraith said, these are polygons, they don't have any rights and are not protected by the Civil Liberties Union. This post gets one half of a smiley, because I'm partially joking and partially serious. Leee