:):) Amiga versus Atari >> had been kind of a mild civil war at some times! And, yes: there is a reason for Moray! The most I did with POVray had been an unregular shaped cube - well if I think of it: POV did this, not me:). So, if you look at the innovation dycles of today - wonder where we are in two years from now! Implants, I guess. Getting updates by looking at some code.