'It's not hard to turn off smooth polygons for a simple prop, but if it's something like a house, with zillions of parts, it's a pain to fix. Unless you just turn off smooth polygons in Render Options' Or unless the creator saves the models out of P5 with 'smooth polys' switched off for those parts. Oh, hey! I do that! Been doing it for a long time now. Nope, it's not hard to do. You don't even need to buy poser 5 to do it. Inserting 1 line in the code switches it off too. I make a point of saving everthing out of P5 so I can get all the shader info right, (then I change the version # to 4.01), but you can do it by hacking the files. Pity more people don't do it. mac