LOL. I take your meaning. Bill Gates is a terrible example! I withdraw that comment. But Dan did say this. 'When you have a specific product that you are going to begin, and you know that you are going to be using an existing model in your creative process, you need to contact the creator of the existing model first, be it DAZ or someone else, and get specific permission from that creator first' Which I take to mean that he's answering the best he can, but for a specific model, you'd need to discuss it with them directly, basing an agreement only on that model. (I know you tried contacting him directly, but you know what I mean). I dunno. Let's see what he says in reply. mac