Mental ray, Renderman andf a couple of others do have a few edges AR does not (yet) but they are stand-alone renderers and you must transfer the file to them via plugin and re-materialize to a certain degree. AR is integrated as the native renderer of Cinema4D (and a hell of a lot cheaper too!). Part of the problem with Maxwell for me is that it is not fast (accurate yes, but takes time) and it does not allow you to break reality in terms of lighting (i.e. all the things AR lets you do such as allow certain lights illumination to see or not see certain objects). Enough about C4D, this is the bryce forum so please don't get me wrong, I am not in any way knocking Bryce. To my mind bryce is the best value for making 3d art in the world and it is still on my machine and used. I personally hope it is around for a long time and continues to evolve. Richard

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