"Include lots of info in the readme and don't be offended if someone thinks it's broken because they didn't read the readme" i had planned on it for those that yes does read the readme. And...lol i grew out of getting mad at someone that doesnt. I just plainly now say please read the readme for the information you seek. thank you very much letting me know of all this information. i didnt know how all this got started though am happy it did. Its pretty amazing what can be done with poser and other programs to. now that i understand how this works im going to try the shoes in a different manner...heh. just need to find out how to make paranting figures instead of props. thank you again Anton, hug bea