I didn't sell Motionbuilder. Actually decided to upgrade soon. Finances have gotten better, which was the reason I was going to sell it. I wonder on the relevance of posting about that? One freaky dude that you actually went through the effort to search for that post. Kind of makes me feel important that you went through all the trouble for little ol me. As to the shade forum, I actually did post in response to a thread that was having similar problems as mine. I experienced problems with the Shade LE trial, I redownloaded 3 times. And still experienced problems. Tried it on 3 different computers with different specs and experienced the same issues. Think it might have been the thread you posted about actually. Its funny how you didn't respond at all to the request for images or the like. Show us your talent? Maybe I'll respect your opinions more. As of now you just are someone who always brings in negative comments to a thread. Brian