I started with P5 and never had P4. Like you Tiari, I tried to get it to do things it was probably not designed to do. A good many of Poser's problems are user related I think :) But I got past most of those issues and now P5 works really well. I just don't have the time right now, to deal with new bugs or new stupidity on my part :) I figure if I wait awhile, they will eventually patch P6 a time or two and then all I have to deal with is my stupidity....not Poser's :)