Hi Folks, Thanks for the info, I'll take a look at the tuts suggested and see what I can figure out. Oneof the main reasons I ask is not because of the main head hair, but the extrenuous hairs... you know Lashes, Eyebrows, moustache, beards, etc. I've looked at V3, and interestingly enough she has a rim of polys around her eyelids, right on the edge...right where a persons eyelashes grow out of... So I think to myself...self, wouldn't it be easier to just put some hairs in there than to try and get these transmaps to do what everyone says they do? Eyebrows, you have texture maps, bump map, transparancy... yada, yada, yada... Again I say self... wouldn't it be easier to just put some hair in these spots? So Anyway, that's the idea, now if these tuts work out I might be able to figure this out. Thanks again.