Ahh, well... guess I gotta plunge into RayDream then to create the object I want - a simple brazier. Trouble is, I know I could knock it out with booleans in no time. I've never modeled in RD so it's gonna take me a lot longer. (sigh) Unless someone knows where I can get a brazier? It's just a simple bowl shape on a pole stand. Kinda like the modern touchier lamps. Thanks for the info anyway. :o)